The Carnegie Collection Tyrannosaurus (1988)
| Above: 1988 prototype. |
Above: Three different colorways were produced - orange (1988), green spotted (1989), and green striped (1990-2015).
The Carnegie Tyrannosaurus was released in three basic colorways over the years. The earliest samples (from reported purchases in 1988 and photographed in a 1988 Safari brochure) follow a green and orange colorway likely inspired by art from 1980s era children's' book illustrations by Bernard Robinson (created for Ladybrid / St. Michael books). The orange model was quickly replaced when, in 1989, a light green, spotted version debuted. The spotted version was featured in early line photography and continued to grace the cover of collectors' guides long after it was replaced. In 1990, the green spotted version was replaced by a darker green striped version which would become the default T. rex colorway for the rest of the line's run. Despite the introduction of updated sculpts in 1999 and 2014, the green Rex remained in production, though its mold was updated in 1993 to feature a more accurate head sculpt. Many minor variants in color exist - see the detailed variant breakdown below for more information.
Above left: Bernard Robinson's orange T. rex appeared in several 1980s dinosaur books and was the clear inspiration for the first production Carnegie Tyrannosaurus figures. Above right: The classic Carnegie T. rex figure has occasionally been described as "Slimer green" in color. It was likely inspired by this somewhat ghostly mural painted by Otto von Fuehrer in 1950, and which hung in the Carnegie Museum for decades.
Above: The three earliest molds compared. L-R - 1988, 1992, 1993.
Slim vs. robust variations
Close inspection of various early T. rex figures has shown a baffling common variation - like the real T. rex, there seems to be a robust and a gracile morph. The two "molds" are identical in detail, but one is noticeably more rotund. This is most noticeable when comparing the back and sides, as well as the pubic region and connection between the legs and belly. It doesn't seem to have been retooled because every stray mark and scale is exactly the same between both versions. The robust version almost looks like it has simply been somehow "inflated" from the inside. It is most likely that this difference is due to a "short pour" - slightly less plastic making it into the mold during certain uses of the same mold. Of course, it is possible this is actually a different, duplicate mold, or some kind of intentional change to the molding process. So far, while I have found robust and gracile versions of the gloss wash/twilight T. rex, I have only ever seen robust dull wash figures and slim classic color figures. If this observation holds, it is most likely the robust ones are generally earlier and the short pour runs were either intentional to save plastic, or due to a change in the settings on the machinery. Note that the slimmer ones seem to have a sharper sculpt, so it's possible that even though the robust version is earlier, it is an unintentional mistake that was corrected later, and the slim version is closer to the one Forest Rogers sculpted. This hypothesis is supported by the observation that the hip region is better defined in the slim models, as is the pubic region. The robust version therefore seems to result in a loss of some original sculpt detail.
1st Mold
1st mold color variants
First release: 1988
Retired: c. 1993
Model number: 401-01
Schleich number: 15401
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
Retired: c. 1993
Model number: 401-01
Schleich number: 15401
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
Mold: 1
Version: 1
Release: 1988
Status: Original
Variant type: Dull wash
Material: Medium weight light beige rubber
Paint: 5 colors. Orange (base coat); dark gray (back, feet, arms); red (mouth, nostrils); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 The CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 10/10
Material: Medium weight light beige rubber
Paint: 5 colors. Orange (base coat); dark gray (back, feet, arms); red (mouth, nostrils); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 The CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 10/10
The earliest Carnegie T. rex variant, this is orange with dark gray-green airbrush wash over the back and on the lower legs. The paint has a relatively matte finish except for the red tongue and yellow eyes. It is made of a rubbery, light beige plastic. The nostrils are red instead of black as in the glossier version.
As pictured in a 1988 catalog.
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| This set of dull wash figures was purchased at the St. Louis Science Center in September 1988 (photo by Robb Jacobson). |
Version: 2
Release: 1988
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Dull gloss
Material: Medium weight gray vinyl
Paint: 5 colors. Glossy red-orange (base coat); glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, feet, arms); glossy red (mouth); glossy bright orange (eyes); glossy black (pupils, nostrils).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 The CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 10/10
This version is very similar to the original, but has much glossier paint. The eyes are orange instead of yellow, meaning this probably was a separate production run with slightly different paint being used. The plastic is also less rubbery than many other early Carnegies and is light gray in color.
Material: Medium weight gray vinyl
Paint: 5 colors. Glossy red-orange (base coat); glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, feet, arms); glossy red (mouth); glossy bright orange (eyes); glossy black (pupils, nostrils).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 The CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 10/10
This version is very similar to the original, but has much glossier paint. The eyes are orange instead of yellow, meaning this probably was a separate production run with slightly different paint being used. The plastic is also less rubbery than many other early Carnegies and is light gray in color.
Though I count this among the "dull wash" variants because it is pictured alongside that set and was available for purchase alongside them in 1988, it is obviously the least "dull" of the bunch and differs in its fully glossy paint job.
 The photo in the 1990 catalog, which is very desaturated, almost black and white. This may have been an early prototype, or an actual release model akin to the grayscale Diplodocus. Version: 3 Release: 1989 Status: Repaint Variant type: Twilight sands version Material: ? Paint: 4 colors. Light gray (base color); gray (back); dark gray (stripes); white (eyes, teeth). Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA CE mark: None. TDR rating: 10/10 The "Twilight Sands version" of the Carnegie Tyrannosaurus is part of a set that seems to have been produced in 1989 for use in the 1990 Safari catalog. The backdrop in this catalog featured a stark, high-contrast twilight blue with white sand. The models pictured generally had matte, as opposed to glossy, paint applications. Some of them appear very desaturated in color, and this is not just a trick of the photography as samples of models in these paint schemes have been found. For example, there is a version of Diplodocus in the collection of Fred Snyder that is literally painted up in matte grayscale paint, much like the colors featured for this T. rex. I have not seen anyone with this particular version of T. rex in their collections, but based on the example of Diplodocus and others with high-contrast black and white paint, it likely does exist as more than just a prototype, photography sample, or desaturated image.
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Version: 4
Release: 1989
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Gloss wash
Material: Medium weight beige rubber
Paint: 7 colors. Pale green (base coat); pea green (wash); glossy olive green (back); glossy dark green (stripes); glossy black (pupils, nostrils); glossy white (teeth); brick red (mouth).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 9/10
This version of Tyrannosaurus is very similar to the primary/prototype version but with much lighter and green paint application across the back. There is a wavy stripe of olive green along the back, and the dark green stripes are much more prominent. Ironically, it has a much warmer, more golden tone than the original prototype. This version first appeared in the 1991 Collector's Guide, and would remain a staple of Carnegie / Safari catalogs and collector brochures through at least 1993, though it seems to have been replaced by the fully olive colored version well before that. It is made of relatively soft white rubber, in contrast to the later hard black plastic catalog version, but similar to many dull wash models, suggesting this one was produced earlier than the catalog version.
Material: Medium weight beige rubber
Paint: 7 colors. Pale green (base coat); pea green (wash); glossy olive green (back); glossy dark green (stripes); glossy black (pupils, nostrils); glossy white (teeth); brick red (mouth).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 9/10
This version of Tyrannosaurus is very similar to the primary/prototype version but with much lighter and green paint application across the back. There is a wavy stripe of olive green along the back, and the dark green stripes are much more prominent. Ironically, it has a much warmer, more golden tone than the original prototype. This version first appeared in the 1991 Collector's Guide, and would remain a staple of Carnegie / Safari catalogs and collector brochures through at least 1993, though it seems to have been replaced by the fully olive colored version well before that. It is made of relatively soft white rubber, in contrast to the later hard black plastic catalog version, but similar to many dull wash models, suggesting this one was produced earlier than the catalog version.
As pictured in the 1990 Schleich catalog.
Version: 5
Release: c. 1990
Status: Retool
Variant type: Gloss wash / Primary
Material: Medium weight mottled beige and purple rubber
Paint: 6 colors. Pea green (base coat); glossy olive green (back, head); glossy dark green (stripes); glossy black (pupils, nostrils); glossy white (teeth); brick red (mouth).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 9/10
This version of Tyrannosaurus uses a mottled beige and purple rubber as a base, similar to 1988-era Apatosaurus and Allosaurus samples, so may actually be earlier than listed here.
Material: Medium weight mottled beige and purple rubber
Paint: 6 colors. Pea green (base coat); glossy olive green (back, head); glossy dark green (stripes); glossy black (pupils, nostrils); glossy white (teeth); brick red (mouth).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 9/10
This version of Tyrannosaurus uses a mottled beige and purple rubber as a base, similar to 1988-era Apatosaurus and Allosaurus samples, so may actually be earlier than listed here.
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| Photo by Juan Ramon Perez Martinez |
Mold: 1
Version: 6
Release: c. 1990
Status: Minor repaint
Version: 6
Release: c. 1990
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Gloss wash
Material: Hard black vinyl
Paint: 6 colors. Lime green (base coat); glossy olive green (back, head); glossy dark green (stripes, airbrush wash); glossy black (pupils, nostrils); glossy white (teeth); brick red (mouth).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 The CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 10/10
This seems to be a version of the gloss wash T. rex with somewhat simplified paint applications and different toned base coat. Whereas the main gloss wash version pictured in the Schleich brochure has solidly applied paint, this one is much more airbrushed, particularly the dark stripes, which blend in with an unevenly applied airbrush wash similar to the coloration of the original paint master (below). The base color is a bright lime green vs. the dull pea green of the main gloss wash variant. The color of this version is much closer to later early 1990s variants, especially of the revised sculpt.
Material: Hard black vinyl
Paint: 6 colors. Lime green (base coat); glossy olive green (back, head); glossy dark green (stripes, airbrush wash); glossy black (pupils, nostrils); glossy white (teeth); brick red (mouth).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 The CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
CE mark: None.
TDR rating: 10/10
This seems to be a version of the gloss wash T. rex with somewhat simplified paint applications and different toned base coat. Whereas the main gloss wash version pictured in the Schleich brochure has solidly applied paint, this one is much more airbrushed, particularly the dark stripes, which blend in with an unevenly applied airbrush wash similar to the coloration of the original paint master (below). The base color is a bright lime green vs. the dull pea green of the main gloss wash variant. The color of this version is much closer to later early 1990s variants, especially of the revised sculpt.
Above: Comparison photos thanks to Ikessauro
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| Prototype version in a 1988 Safari brochure figured by Joe DeMarco in his book "Dinosauriana". |
Version: 7
Color scheme: 3
Release: 1990
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Classic color
Material: Hard black PVC
Paint: 7 colors. Pea green (base coat); glossy dark blue-green (airbrushed stripes); glossy olive green (wash); glossy pink (mouth); glossy white (teeth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils, nostrils).
Material: Hard black PVC
Paint: 7 colors. Pea green (base coat); glossy dark blue-green (airbrushed stripes); glossy olive green (wash); glossy pink (mouth); glossy white (teeth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils, nostrils).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS
CE Mark: None
TDR rating: 8/10
This is the first "classic color" T. rex, with unconnected stripes instead of loops, though the basic colors remain similar to the gloss wash version except for the addition of dark blue paint to the stripes and a much brighter pink mouth. In a reversal of the pattern seen in many other Carnegie models, the T. rex figure seems to have gone from a series of solidly defined stripes and spots, to a more blended appearance.
TDR rating: 8/10
This is the first "classic color" T. rex, with unconnected stripes instead of loops, though the basic colors remain similar to the gloss wash version except for the addition of dark blue paint to the stripes and a much brighter pink mouth. In a reversal of the pattern seen in many other Carnegie models, the T. rex figure seems to have gone from a series of solidly defined stripes and spots, to a more blended appearance.
The stripes have a less defined look and are airbrushed on, causing various areas of the paint to run or blend together unevenly. It looks as if the dark blue airbrushing was applied first, then dark olive green paint was applied on top of it.
The paint application is very thick and glossy, to the point that there are places on the feet where the paint has noticeably pooled before drying (my sample even appears to have fragments of wood, presumably from the factory painting table, embedded in its feet!), and the airbrush finish seems to have run together with the gloopy undercoat and wash in places. As with other very glossy early 1990s variants, this one seems to have been particularly common as a Schleich release. A defining characteristic of this version is the large, triangular stripes on the neck (contrast this to the uniform pencil-line stripes of later classic color versions). This feature can be seen in both mold 1 and mold 2 figures early in the classic color run, implying they were in production at the same time. The large, triangular stripes are featured in early 1990s poster art, so this is an intentional feature and not individual variation.
This version of the classic color T. rex was used as a prop in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Brothers", filmed in July 1990, so it must have been released sometime before that date.
Pictured with Schleich tag, from schleichtiersammler.de
Version: 8
Release: 1990
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Classic color
Material: Hard black PVC
This version is very similar to the initial classic color version, but lacks the dark blue airbrushing on the stripes.
Material: Hard black PVC
Paint: 7 colors. Pea green (base coat); glossy olive green (airbrush wash); glossy dark green (stripes); glossy pink (mouth); glossy white (teeth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils, nostrils).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS
CE Mark: None
TDR rating: 8/10This version is very similar to the initial classic color version, but lacks the dark blue airbrushing on the stripes.
Mold: 1
Version: 9
Release: c. 1991
Status: Minor repaintVariant type: Classic color
Material: Hard black PVC
Paint: 7 colors. Yellow-green (base coat); dark green (stripes); clover green (wash); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
TDR rating: 8/10
Another version of Tyrannosaurus with its "classic" standard paint scheme. The paint is matte, with a very blended and varied wash of light and dark greens as well as prominent yellow on the sides. The stripes on the back are very dark, almost black, with a wider midline dorsal stripe than later versions.
This version has a matte paint application without the glossy, thick paint of other classic color first mold models. This could indicate a later production run intended to fix some of the issues with the thick paint version. The paint style of this figure is almost identical to one of the later editions of mold 2, and it's possible these were produced at the same time using both molds to double production output.
Version: 9
Release: c. 1991
Status: Minor repaint
Material: Hard black PVC
Paint: 7 colors. Yellow-green (base coat); dark green (stripes); clover green (wash); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: On tail. Center-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD, MIAMI, FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA
TDR rating: 8/10
Another version of Tyrannosaurus with its "classic" standard paint scheme. The paint is matte, with a very blended and varied wash of light and dark greens as well as prominent yellow on the sides. The stripes on the back are very dark, almost black, with a wider midline dorsal stripe than later versions.
2nd Mold
First release: 1991
Retired: c. 1995
Model number: 401-01
Schleich number: 15401
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
Retired: c. 1995
Model number: 401-01
Schleich number: 15401
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
In the early 1990s, several of the original Carnegie models were copied to increase production volume. Likely, a pantograph machine was used to "trace" one of the older models and automatically sculpt a new one, resulting in an overall thinner model with less with and chunkier, cruder detailing.
Note the difference in foot sculpt between mold 1 (bottom) and 2 (top)
This T. rex is in fact an all new mold, as the mold lines are completely different than the original. Most noticeably, the belly is now a separately molded piece, with the mold lines running along the sides of the belly rather than cutting across it as in the original, and converging in a V shape at the base of the tail (the info text has also been moved to this new belly piece). As a result, the torso of this model is slimmer and less barrel-chested than the original, a feature that would be restored in the next remold. The wrinkle and scale patterns on the body appear about the same as the original but have been artificially deepened during the retooling process, giving the model a cruder, more blocky appearance. The bottom of the feet have been smoothed out, though they still don't sit flat against the ground. The toes are much thicker and straighter, and have a segmented texture.
The 2nd mold of T. rex seems to have been in production a bit earlier than the other models, appearing alongside early classic color variants in a 1991 catalog photo. It also is one of the only 2nd molds that has been found with "Miami" on the embossed info text, suggesting it was produced before that change.
Note the difference in foot sculpt between mold 1 (bottom) and 2 (top)
Note the different mold lines between the first mold (right) and second mold (left), as well as the narrower torso on the second mold.
More comparison images between the first and second molds:
Version: 1
Color scheme: 3
Release: 1991
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Classic color
Material: Medium weight gray vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Matte light green base coat; glossy olive green airbrushing (sides); glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils)
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD,MIAMI,FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 7/10
This version of the second Tyrannosaurus mold has a glossy paint application with a dominant dark olive green color. It is made of light gray vinyl. It is likely among the earliest releases of this mold as it still retains the "Miami, FL" on the info text - rare to find on 2nd mold figures.
Material: Medium weight gray vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Matte light green base coat; glossy olive green airbrushing (sides); glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils)
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD,MIAMI,FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 7/10
This version of the second Tyrannosaurus mold has a glossy paint application with a dominant dark olive green color. It is made of light gray vinyl. It is likely among the earliest releases of this mold as it still retains the "Miami, FL" on the info text - rare to find on 2nd mold figures.
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| Pictured in a 1991 promotional image |
Mold: 2
Version: 2
Release: 1991
Status: Minor repaint, material variant
Version: 2
Release: 1991
Status: Minor repaint, material variant
Variant type: Classic color
Material: White or gray vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Yellow-green (base coat); dark green (stripes); clover green (head, sides, limbs, feet); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD,MIAMI,FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version has a more matte paint application with a clover green, rather than olive green, dominant color. The underlying plastic is very light gray or white (hard to tell from photos if these are two variants, or just different lighting). The paint style of this figure is almost identical to one of the later editions of mold 1, and it's possible these were produced at the same time using both molds to double production output.
Material: White or gray vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Yellow-green (base coat); dark green (stripes); clover green (head, sides, limbs, feet); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD,MIAMI,FL / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version has a more matte paint application with a clover green, rather than olive green, dominant color. The underlying plastic is very light gray or white (hard to tell from photos if these are two variants, or just different lighting). The paint style of this figure is almost identical to one of the later editions of mold 1, and it's possible these were produced at the same time using both molds to double production output.
Mold: 2
Version: 2
Release: 1992
Status: Minor repaint, material variant
Version: 2
Release: 1992
Status: Minor repaint, material variant
Variant type: Classic color
Material: White or gray vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Yellow-green (base coat); dark green (stripes); clover green (head, sides, limbs, feet); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: C 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version has a more matte paint application with a clover green, rather than olive green, dominant color. The underlying plastic is very light gray or white (hard to tell from photos if these are two variants, or just different lighting). The paint style of this figure is almost identical to one of the later editions of mold 1, and it's possible these were produced at the same time using both molds to double production output. Note that the embossed text has an incompletely covered "Made In China" mark, still slightly visible under the repositioned CE mark.
Material: White or gray vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Yellow-green (base coat); dark green (stripes); clover green (head, sides, limbs, feet); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: C 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version has a more matte paint application with a clover green, rather than olive green, dominant color. The underlying plastic is very light gray or white (hard to tell from photos if these are two variants, or just different lighting). The paint style of this figure is almost identical to one of the later editions of mold 1, and it's possible these were produced at the same time using both molds to double production output. Note that the embossed text has an incompletely covered "Made In China" mark, still slightly visible under the repositioned CE mark.
Mold: 2
Version: 3
Release: 1992
Status: Minor repaint
Version: 3
Release: 1992
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Classic color
Material: ?
Paint: 6 colors. Light green (base coat); olive green (airbrushing); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: C 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version has a more even and blended paint application with the standard drab olive green dominant color. Note that the embossed text has an incompletely covered "Made In China" mark, still slightly visible under the repositioned CE mark.
Material: ?
Paint: 6 colors. Light green (base coat); olive green (airbrushing); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: C 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version has a more even and blended paint application with the standard drab olive green dominant color. Note that the embossed text has an incompletely covered "Made In China" mark, still slightly visible under the repositioned CE mark.
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Mold: 2
Version: 4
Release: c. 1994
Status: Minor repaint
Version: 4
Release: c. 1994
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Classic color
Material: Dark gray vinyl
Paint: 6 colors. Olive green (base coat); dark green (stripes, head, neck); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: C 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version is made of dark gray vinyl and has an interesting contrasted paint application, with light green body and very dark stripes, including an all-dark head and neck. The dark head and neck is a feature of the initial resculpted T. rex figures - that, combined with the apparently very fatigues info text mold, suggests this is a late release of the 2nd mold, possibly produced as part of a boxed set.
Material: Dark gray vinyl
Paint: 6 colors. Olive green (base coat); dark green (stripes, head, neck); pink (mouth); white (teeth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: C 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version is made of dark gray vinyl and has an interesting contrasted paint application, with light green body and very dark stripes, including an all-dark head and neck. The dark head and neck is a feature of the initial resculpted T. rex figures - that, combined with the apparently very fatigues info text mold, suggests this is a late release of the 2nd mold, possibly produced as part of a boxed set.
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Photo by Ostafrikasaurus
Version: 5
Release: c. 1995
Status: Minor retool
Variant type: Classic color
Material: ?
Paint: 7 colors. Matte light green base coat; glossy olive green airbrushing (sides); glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils)
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: C 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 2/10
Same as the previous version, but the words “Miami, FL” and “Made in China” have been erased from the belly text. The existence of this figure with a beaded plastic zip tie on the tag rather than a gold elastic band suggests it was being shipped around 1994-1995. Note that the color scheme, with a uniformly dark head and neck and very lightly airbrushed stripes, is nearly identical to contemporary(?) mold 3 figures.
Material: ?
Paint: 7 colors. Matte light green base coat; glossy olive green airbrushing (sides); glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils)
Info text: Between legs. Left-aligned: C 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 2/10
Same as the previous version, but the words “Miami, FL” and “Made in China” have been erased from the belly text. The existence of this figure with a beaded plastic zip tie on the tag rather than a gold elastic band suggests it was being shipped around 1994-1995. Note that the color scheme, with a uniformly dark head and neck and very lightly airbrushed stripes, is nearly identical to contemporary(?) mold 3 figures.
3rd Mold
First release: 1993
Retired: 2012
Model number: 4001-01
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
Retired: 2012
Model number: 4001-01
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
In about 1993, Safari re-sculpted some of its Carnegie models. They took the opportunity to give their Tyrannosaurus model a much more detailed and accurate sculpt, though they chose to keep the same basic pose and color scheme as the previous T. rex. (Ironically, the newer sculpt has a more upright posture than the older one). This one has a more triangular rather than rectangular profile when looking at it from the top down, as in a real T. rex skull. The torso is broader and more realistically barrel-chested than mold 2, restoring the wide, barrel chest of the original mold. The teeth were also sculpted separately, rather than painted on. The skin texture has been given an overhaul, with subtler scales more similar to the original sculpt than the blocky 2nd mold. The fingers and toes have also been beefed up a bit and given more well-defined claws.
This model seems to have debuted in about 1993, as it appears in promotional photography alongside the new Dilophosaurus but not Plateosaurus, and the old version of Allosaurus. The earliest I have seen this version of T. rex is in the 1993 Safari Carnegie Collection presentation video.
There seem to have been two different molds in simultaneous use for this figure, possibly owing to its popularity - the factory could churn out twice as many models that way. These molds are differentiated by a number on the info text. Number 1 seems to have been the original, and was used to produce number 2 (the 4th mold, see below), which has slightly degraded details and different info text.
This model seems to have debuted in about 1993, as it appears in promotional photography alongside the new Dilophosaurus but not Plateosaurus, and the old version of Allosaurus. The earliest I have seen this version of T. rex is in the 1993 Safari Carnegie Collection presentation video.
There seem to have been two different molds in simultaneous use for this figure, possibly owing to its popularity - the factory could churn out twice as many models that way. These molds are differentiated by a number on the info text. Number 1 seems to have been the original, and was used to produce number 2 (the 4th mold, see below), which has slightly degraded details and different info text.
This version of the Carnegie Tyrannosaurus rex, if all variants are taken together, is the single Carnegie model that had the longest consistent production run. First introduced in 1993, this mold or its direct copies would stay in production until the end of the line in 2015, despite not one but two totally updated and resculpted versions coming out during that time. According to Randy Knol, when the first T. rex remake was released in 1999, retailers insisted the old version remain available despite being less up-to-date, on account of its popularity with customers. Ironically, perhaps, this version of the Carnegie T. rex is still reasonably accurate today, with a skull shape close to the real thing, an elevated tail (if you manage to balance the feet which are prone to warping), and an only slightly inclined back that is clearly intended to be a rearing posture rather than a normal walking posture. Nothing, from the angle of the tail in relationship to the body, to the orientation of the hind legs, to the suitably barrel-shaped torso, are blatantly inaccurate here - and it remains the closest to 1:40 scale of all the Carnegie rexes. The only real inaccuracy here may be the crocodile-like mouth lacking lips, though this point remains somewhat controversial among paleontologists.
Mold: 3
Version: 1
Release: 1993
Status: Minor repaint, material variant
Variant type: Classic color
Material: Dark gray hard vinyl
Paint: 8 colors. Matte light green base coat; glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy olive green airbrush wash (sides); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils); gloss finish (full body)
Info text: On belly. Left-aligned: C 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE / 1
CE mark: Small
Version: 2
Release: c. 1994
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Classic color
Material: Medium weight gray vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Matte light green base coat; dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); olive green airbrush wash (sides); white (teeth); pink (mouth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils)
Info text: On belly. Off-center aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE / 1
Material: Medium weight gray vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Matte light green base coat; dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); olive green airbrush wash (sides); white (teeth); pink (mouth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils)
Info text: On belly. Off-center aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE / 1
CE mark: Small
TDR rating: 1/10
This version uses the number mold 1 (the original resculpted rex mold) and is otherwise unchanged from the original 3rd gen Carnegie T. rex. The difference here is in the slightly simplified paint application lacking a gloss finish, and the use of softer plastic base material that is more flexible than the hard, dark gray of both originals. Anecdotally, I recall that I did not purchase this particular T. rex until well after the upgraded Allosaurus (because I already had the Battat version); this, combined with the clues provided by the mold and simplified paint application, suggest this version was a mid-1990s release shortly before the switchover to color vinyl.
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Mold: 3
Version: 3
Release: c. 1994
Status: Minor repaint
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Mold: 3
Version: 4
Release: 1996
Status: Material variant, minor repaint
TDR rating: 1/10
This version uses the number mold 1 (the original resculpted rex mold) and is otherwise unchanged from the original 3rd gen Carnegie T. rex. The difference here is in the slightly simplified paint application lacking a gloss finish, and the use of softer plastic base material that is more flexible than the hard, dark gray of both originals. Anecdotally, I recall that I did not purchase this particular T. rex until well after the upgraded Allosaurus (because I already had the Battat version); this, combined with the clues provided by the mold and simplified paint application, suggest this version was a mid-1990s release shortly before the switchover to color vinyl.
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| Third mold (left) vs. first mold (right) |
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Version: 3
Release: c. 1994
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Classic color
Material: Medium weight gray vinyl
Paint: 8 colors. Matte light green base coat; dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); olive green airbrush wash (sides); sky blue airbrushing (underside); white (teeth); pink (mouth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils)
Info text: On belly. Off-center aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE / 1
Material: Medium weight gray vinyl
Paint: 8 colors. Matte light green base coat; dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); olive green airbrush wash (sides); sky blue airbrushing (underside); white (teeth); pink (mouth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils)
Info text: On belly. Off-center aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE / 1
CE mark: Small
TDR rating: 1/10
This version appears to be similar to other classic color mold 3 variants, but oddly has the addition of a sky blue wash on the underside of the chest and belly and (possibly) snout (this could be a misplaced paint hit).
TDR rating: 1/10
This version appears to be similar to other classic color mold 3 variants, but oddly has the addition of a sky blue wash on the underside of the chest and belly and (possibly) snout (this could be a misplaced paint hit).
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Version: 4
Release: 1996
Status: Material variant, minor repaint
Variant type: Color vinyl
Material: Pale green vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); olive green airbrush wash (sides); white (teeth); pink (mouth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils); gray (claws)
Info text: On belly. Off-center aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / 1 / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 2/10
During the 1996 line refresh, all models began to be cast in plastic of their predominant color rather than fully painted over gray vinyl. Another notable difference to this release is the darker green paint on the head, and the painted claws. Note that this color vinyl version uses mold 3 (the first version of the resculpted rex mold) with the number 1 on the info text and unaligned text. This suggests that there must have been multiple copies of the original mold, one of which was altered to create mold number 2.
Mold: 3
Version: 5
Release: c. 1998
Status: Minor retool
Material: Pale green vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); olive green airbrush wash (sides); white (teeth); pink (mouth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils); gray (claws)
Info text: On belly. Off-center aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / 1 / CE
CE mark: Small.
TDR rating: 2/10
During the 1996 line refresh, all models began to be cast in plastic of their predominant color rather than fully painted over gray vinyl. Another notable difference to this release is the darker green paint on the head, and the painted claws. Note that this color vinyl version uses mold 3 (the first version of the resculpted rex mold) with the number 1 on the info text and unaligned text. This suggests that there must have been multiple copies of the original mold, one of which was altered to create mold number 2.
Version: 5
Release: c. 1998
Status: Minor retool
Variant type: Color vinyl
Material: Mint green vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy olive green airbrush wash (sides); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils); gray (claws)
Info text: On belly. Off-center aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE
CE mark: Large.
TDR rating: 2/10
Very similar to the previous version, but in a slightly different color green vinyl and with the new, larger CE mark. This appears to be cast from mold 3, as the info text is the same aside from the covering up of the old CE mark and number 1 and addition of a large CE mark where the number 1 used to be. The rest of the mold shows signs of being "refreshed" again, like added depth to the scales and extra lumpiness along the sides and arms.
Material: Mint green vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy olive green airbrush wash (sides); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils); gray (claws)
Info text: On belly. Off-center aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE
CE mark: Large.
TDR rating: 2/10
Very similar to the previous version, but in a slightly different color green vinyl and with the new, larger CE mark. This appears to be cast from mold 3, as the info text is the same aside from the covering up of the old CE mark and number 1 and addition of a large CE mark where the number 1 used to be. The rest of the mold shows signs of being "refreshed" again, like added depth to the scales and extra lumpiness along the sides and arms.
4th Mold
First release: 1993
Retired: 2012
Model number: 4001-01
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
Retired: 2012
Model number: 4001-01
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
As discussed above, this duplicate mold seems to have been in production at about the same time as the mold 3, or maybe slightly later as it appears to have been made from a production sample of mold 3. There is a noticeable raised area under the embossed info text, and the embossed text is smaller, more spread out, and more evenly left-aligned. The more extensive smooth area, as well as a noticeable cover job under the number "2", indicate that this was made directly from mold 3. However, as mold 3 continued to be in use well into the late 1990s at least and received additional retools, it clearly was not directly altered, so there must have been multiple molds in play for the 3rd gen T. rex (probably thanks to its outsized popularity, additional molds would allow faster production).
More differences between this and mold 3 include noticeable pitting and cracking across the scales to the right of the info text, blunted claw tips, slightly thicker arms and fingers, and - ironically given the somewhat worse condition of the rest of the mold - much better defined and separated teeth. Given the blunting/breakage that seem to have happened in the copying of the original mold, the teeth may have had to have suffered a similar fate and been resculpted.
Version: 1
Release: c. 1993
Status: Retool
Variant type: Classic color
Material: Dark gray hard vinyl
Paint: 8 colors. Matte light green base coat; glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy olive green airbrush wash (sides); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils); gloss finish (full body)
Info text: On belly. Left-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / 2 / CE
Material: Dark gray hard vinyl
Paint: 8 colors. Matte light green base coat; glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy olive green airbrush wash (sides); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils); gloss finish (full body)
Info text: On belly. Left-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / 2 / CE
CE mark: Small
TDR rating: 1/10
TDR rating: 1/10
This sample appears to be from a very early production run of mold 3. Note the crisp details not yet showing any signs of mold fatigue, especially the very clearly defined teeth (s discussed above, mold 4 in general has better sculpted teeth than mold 3). The paint application is extremely glossy, a feature that would be toned down in later production runs.
Version: 2
Release: c. 1998
Status: Minor retool
Variant type: Color vinyl
Material: Mint green vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy olive green airbrush wash (sides); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils); gray (claws)
Info text: On belly. Left-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE / 2
CE mark: Large.
TDR rating: 3/10
This color vinyl variant appears to be a slightly retooled version of the 4th mold. The area where the large mold number "2" was previously has been scraped out to remove the number. In it's place is now a large post-1998 style CE mark (this same retooling is seen in color vinyl versions of mold 3). The number 2 is now located below the main embossed text and is very small. The info text is left-aligned rather than off-center, indicative of mold 4 and unlike mold 3.
Material: Mint green vinyl
Paint: 7 colors. Glossy dark green airbrushing (head, back, stripes); glossy olive green airbrush wash (sides); glossy white (teeth); glossy pink (mouth); glossy yellow (eyes); glossy black (pupils); gray (claws)
Info text: On belly. Left-aligned: (C) 1988 THE CARNEGIE / SAFARI LTD / TYRANNOSAURUS REX / 14 METERS / MADE IN CHINA / CE / 2
CE mark: Large.
TDR rating: 3/10
This color vinyl variant appears to be a slightly retooled version of the 4th mold. The area where the large mold number "2" was previously has been scraped out to remove the number. In it's place is now a large post-1998 style CE mark (this same retooling is seen in color vinyl versions of mold 3). The number 2 is now located below the main embossed text and is very small. The info text is left-aligned rather than off-center, indicative of mold 4 and unlike mold 3.
Other than the embossed text changes, as with the color vinyl versions of the other molds, there seems to be some serious degradation of the sculpt going on here. Whereas later production runs of mold 3 were oddly flattened, this one is very chunky and rounded (compare the detail on the fingers to previous versions). This could be down to mold fatigue, or even an intentional "clipping" of the sharp details for safety reasons given the much harder plastic used in this version.
5th Mold
First release: 2012
Retired: 2015
Model number: 4001-01
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
Retired: 2015
Model number: 4001-01
Size: 31 cm long
Advertised scale: 1:40
Actual scale: 1:25 - 1:40
Version: 1
Release: c. 2012
Status: Retool, minor repaint
Variant type: Color vinyl
Material: Pale green vinyl
Paint: Glossy. Dark green top, head, and stripes, olive green sides, dark gray claws, white teeth, pink mouth, yellow and black eyes.
Info text: On belly. Carnegie Tyrannosaurus Rex 1:40 / (C) 1988 Safari Ltd. Miami, FL USA / Made in China CE
CE mark: Large.
TDR rating: 4/10
Very similar to the previous version, but the base color vinyl in noticeably lighter in color, almost white, especially noticeable on the legs. The info text has been upgraded to the 3-line Wild Safari style, with scale ratio added. The base skin texture must have been retooled before adding the new embossed text, as there is no smooth area under it and new skin texturing is visible. The presence of the scale on this info text places its release around 2012 - prior to this, in around 2010, Carnegie models received the 3-line imprint style but without the scale number.
Material: Pale green vinyl
Paint: Glossy. Dark green top, head, and stripes, olive green sides, dark gray claws, white teeth, pink mouth, yellow and black eyes.
Info text: On belly. Carnegie Tyrannosaurus Rex 1:40 / (C) 1988 Safari Ltd. Miami, FL USA / Made in China CE
CE mark: Large.
TDR rating: 4/10
Very similar to the previous version, but the base color vinyl in noticeably lighter in color, almost white, especially noticeable on the legs. The info text has been upgraded to the 3-line Wild Safari style, with scale ratio added. The base skin texture must have been retooled before adding the new embossed text, as there is no smooth area under it and new skin texturing is visible. The presence of the scale on this info text places its release around 2012 - prior to this, in around 2010, Carnegie models received the 3-line imprint style but without the scale number.
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| Mold 5 (center) compared with mold 3 (left) and 4 (right) |
Version: 2
Release: c. 2012
Status: Minor repaint
Variant type: Color vinyl
Material: Pale green vinyl
Paint: 8 colors. Olive green (base wash); dark green (stripes); dark gray (claws, pupils); bright green (stripes); off-white (teeth); pink (mouth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: On belly. Carnegie Tyrannosaurus Rex 1:40 / (C) 1988 Safari Ltd. Miami, FL USA / Made in China CE
CE mark: Large.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version has a redone, 2010s era info text and also the addition of bright green patterning across the body.
Material: Pale green vinyl
Paint: 8 colors. Olive green (base wash); dark green (stripes); dark gray (claws, pupils); bright green (stripes); off-white (teeth); pink (mouth); yellow (eyes); black (pupils).
Info text: On belly. Carnegie Tyrannosaurus Rex 1:40 / (C) 1988 Safari Ltd. Miami, FL USA / Made in China CE
CE mark: Large.
TDR rating: 8/10
This version has a redone, 2010s era info text and also the addition of bright green patterning across the body.
I have 6 of these T-rexes, including one that seems to be in-between versions 6 and 7. Like v 6, it has a grey vinyl base and unpainted toes, but it has a CE (small) followed by a 2
ReplyDeleteThanks, TERRIBLEdactyl, for your efforts to bring order into this line of T-rexes. especially versions six through ten, all of which I have now, and which now are properly labelled in my collection.
ReplyDeleteI'm really impressed with your level of research.
Another question - you list two version fours, the second of which I own. could this one be considered a version 5, as you don't currently have a v. 5 in your list?
Yes, that's my mistake, just a typo left over from adjusting version numbers. I wouldn't put much stock in those as they will change if/when new variants come to light. That's why I have added model and paint versions, which are more general.
DeleteI recently found a version 2 at Value Village in Toronto. I'd never seen one before and do wonder how it made its way up here. Life's a mystery.
ReplyDeleteI scraped down a couple of spots on the ventral aspect of version #6, and can say that its base is definitely a white vinyl.
ReplyDeleteThanks! I'll update that. I'll also have to go sacrifice some of the paint on a few more of mine to double check the base plastic color. I'm always hesitant to take an X-acto knife to them if they're so pristine there's no paint wear to check, but if it's in the name of science...
DeleteHi, I just picked up mold 1 figure that seems to be a successor to version 5. It has a center-aligned stamp on the tail, with identical wording as the fifth version, until one comes to the last (5th) line, the Made in China, which has been obliterated with a raised plastic line. Immediately to the right is a small CE. The plastic is a hard dark grey., the paint scheme classic.
ReplyDeleteThanks! I had mistakenly copied over the stamp text from version 4 to version 5, I actually do not have confirmation that the stamp is different from yours. Is your glossy and somewhat blended like the pic I have for v. 5? If so, I think they are probably one and the same, barring further evidence.
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